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War Criminal Bush: Go backwards! "I'd do it again", I did a heckuvajob!

  • Posted on: 4 June 2010
  • By: MinistryOfTruth
"Yeah, we waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Bush told a Grand Rapids audience Wednesday, of the self-professed 9/11 mastermind. "I'd do it again to save lives."

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President Obama says "We can't go backwards"

Ex-President and Unindicted war criminal George W. Bush is basically saying "Why not go backwards, look at the wonderful legacy I have left you!"

Yeah, those were WAR CRIMES, the kind Reagan forbid and made illegal under US law, but, now that you have reminded us that the only thing in your legacy that you want to remind us of is how torture worked in your book, I say we encourage George W. to keep talking. Keep reminding us of that legacy, Georgie, cause you sure didaheckuvajob.

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Even Conservatives Say It's Torture -- Raw Story's Waterboarding Story

  • Posted on: 22 May 2009
  • By: GreyHawk

This just in from Raw Story:

Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture

Before being waterboarded, the conservative talk show host had thought along the following lines:

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "

After waterboarding having water put on his face, he said this:

"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke," Mancow told listeners. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

Paging Dick Cheney! Rebuttal in the Elephant Aisle, and cleanup in Aisle 2!

Hat-tip ametrine. Also up over on DailyKos, with video, per The Erratic Synapse.

Open Thread -- Torture Talking Points Shot Down and Body Slammed Edition

  • Posted on: 18 May 2009
  • By: Open Thread

From a DailyKos diary by Muzikal203, here's Jesse Ventura on The View shutting down Elisabeth Hasselbeck's attempts to propagate Reich-wing talking points:

Nicely done, Mr. Ventura.

You can also reference luaptifer's recent post about Velvet Revolution's attempts to disbar torture lawyers, or check out GreyHawk rant about the GOP's hyper-hypocrisy, if you'd like a little more reading on the topic.

Another Attempt by Conservatives and Bush Administration Criminals to Smear Their Opponents

  • Posted on: 14 May 2009
  • By: carol white

Nancy Pelosi is one of the strongest voices for Progressive Reform in the Congress, so it's no suprise that the Republican Noise Machine has launched a smear campaign against her, charging that she knew and therefore implictly  condoned about the use of waterboarding, and that she is lying when she denies this. In a press conference today she reiterated that she was not briefed on the use of waterboarding: Pelosi Defends Herself on Waterboarding.

"The CIA briefed me only once on enhanced interrogation techniques in September 2002 in my capacity as ranking member of the Intelligence Committee. I was informed then that the Department of Justice opinions had concluded that the use of enhanced interrogation techniques were legal. The only mention of waterboarding at that briefing was that it was not being employed," she said.

War on Terror? Torture? Prosecute Us?

  • Posted on: 27 January 2009
  • By: BobHiggins

There is an ongoing debate over the closing of America's most notorious detainment/torture center at Guantanamo and the legality and efficacy of using torture to extract "information" from detainees in that and other facilities.

In a piece in this morning's Washington Post titled Torture? Prosecute Us, Too Richard Cohen leads with this:

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." So goes an aphorism that needs to be applied to the current debate over whether those who authorized and used torture should be prosecuted. In the very different country called Sept. 11, 2001, the answer would be a resounding no.

Contrary to what has become the accepted noise, "the world" did not "change" on 9/11. Our laws, our treaties and international agreements as well as our values remained. We did not become a "very different country" on September 12, 2001 despite Mr. Cohen's (and others) claim.

In many ways it is our body of law that binds the past, present and future. The rule of law gives constancy to our "values." Laws may change but the process of change is, and should be reasoned and deliberate, not an impassioned reaction to the events of the day. That kind of reaction to the passions of the moment is the path of the lynch mob.

Waterboarding Is Torture: Hitchens' First-hand Account

  • Posted on: 6 July 2008
  • By: MALCONTENDS

Originally posted 2008-07-06 07:17:27 - a sobering but informative video - standingup

via MAL Contends
- Christopher Hitchens, on assignment from Vanity Fair, arranged to be tortured by waterboarding and write a first-person account. He lasted for 17 seconds during the exercise.

From Vanity Fair (video follows below here), Hitchens writes:

Here is the most chilling way I can find of stating the matter. Until recently, 'waterboarding' was something that Americans did to other Americans. It was inflicted, and endured, by those members of the Special Forces who underwent the advanced form of training known as sere (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape). In these harsh exercises, brave men and women were introduced to the sorts of barbarism that they might expect to meet at the hands of a lawless foe who disregarded the Geneva Conventions. But it was something that Americans were being trained to resist, not to inflict.
[Read the entire piece at Vanity Fair.]

The video is not for children to watch, but very much for adults to watch and act against this obscenity of our government.

CIA Chief Names 3 Who Were Waterboarded; Bush Signed Off On It

  • Posted on: 5 February 2008
  • By: GreyHawk

Gee, for a nation that doesn't torture, this shouldn't be happening:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CIA director on Tuesday publicly named for the first time the three suspected al Qaeda detainees who were subjected to the harsh interrogation technique of waterboarding.

"It was used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. It was used on Abu Zubayda, and it was used on [Abd al-Rahim] al-Nashiri," CIA Director Michael Hayden told a Senate hearing.

[...snip...]

Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, who also testified at the hearing, said waterboarding remains a technique in the CIA's arsenal, according to The Associated Press. He said it would require the president's consent and legal approval from the attorney general, the AP reported.

Long Ago, Far Away

  • Posted on: 28 January 2008
  • By: rba

Randall Mikkelson/Reuters: U.S. used waterboarding but no more: ex-spy chief
It (waterboarding) wasn't used when I [Negroponte] was director of national intelligence, nor even a few years before that," he said. "I get concerned that we're too retrospective and tend to look in the rearview mirror too often at things that happened four or even six years ago."

Maybe ol' Uncle John is right, and that man and his child will look back on those peaceful, hooded days, inside a barbed wire enclosure with no way in or out as the war raged around them as "the time of their lives". Sure, sure. Five years is such a long time ago, and children are so bloody resilient.

Be American. Think nothing of it.

[BBC Image: Story of the War]