Sometimes you have to wonder what planet The Village is on?
This may come as a shock to some in The Village, but not everyone is smack dab on the exact same page as Obama on every single issue. I am not some raging far left Liberal and I would be hard pressed to find any issue that I am not, at least, a little bit to the left or even the right of him. Kos got an interesting piece of junk from some wishful thinkers:
Politico reporter Daniel Libit sends me this query:
Working on a story with another reporter about the increasing
similarity between Barack Obama’s policies and Hillary Clinton’s
primary platform and whether Democrats might have viewed the primary
differently if they knew then what they know now. Would love to get
your thoughts on the state of buyer’s remorse. Might you be able to
send me something before day’s out?My response:
My god, what a stupid premise.
Of course Obama and Clinton had similar platforms. They're both mainstream Democrats!
Certainly worth some serious and breathless reportage... Right up there with the daily traffic reports on Connecticut's I-95. "I am shocked! There is traffic again!!!" Or, as Digby put it:
Ferchristsake. Please, please spare us any more Drudgico stories about
"the left." Dredging up the primaries is nothing more than cheap link
bait, designed to create a story where none exists. The left has been
pushing Obama hard from the moment he took office, which seems to come
as a surprise to the denizens of the village who assumed that everyone
would spend the next four years sitting around playing the "I Got A
Crush on Obama" Youtube on a loop while muttering "yes we can" under
our breath. The only one who who seems to have actually done that is
Tom Hayden, and when he finally looked up he felt, like, so totally
betrayed.
Clinton and Obama are both mainstream Democrats who
occupy exactly the same political terrain in the party and always did.
That's what made the primary so bloody. It was about personal
identification, style and aspiration --- the differences between the
two camps were never about policy because there was no substantial difference in their policies.
While some of us may have hoped there might prove to be be some differences, we sure as heck are not shocked that there does not appear to be many. Why? Because, unlike the Village idiots, we do actually follow the policies and not the junk that the Village desperately wants to tell us about. And just because we don't agree with every damned thing he does? Those of us that supported him still do, those that were iffy are still iffy and those that were against him still are... For the most part. But that isn't exciting news, now, is it?
And Yes! There are some of his supporters that are seriously pissed at some of the things Obama is doing. And then there are some of us people "on the left", as Greenwald puts it, that are more pissed at what some of his "supporters" are doing:
Over the past couple of days, Andrew Sullivan has linked to and published protests from various individuals who are quite angry
that people "on the left" are being so mean to President Obama, and
several of them are so upset that they have decided they are "leaving
the left," whatever that might mean. What's most striking about these
valiant defenses of Obama is how utterly devoid they are of any
substantive points and how, instead, suffuse with weird, even
inappropriate, emotional attachments they are. These objections are
grounded almost exclusively in (a) a deep-seated conviction that
President Obama is a good and just man who means well; (b) their own
rather intense upset at seeing him criticized; and (c) a spitting ad
hominem fury of the type long directed by Bush followers at any critics
of their leader, and generally typical of authoritarian attacks on
out-groups critics. Just marvel at some of this:
Thank
goodness people are starting to leave the left. Their abandonment of
Obama is as unconscionable as the right's refusal to work with him. . .
. This is about decency and working together to solve problems. . . .
Obama is almost solitary in his desire and ability to tackle problems
of epic proportion while realizing that we live in a very heterogeneous
society. . . . The loud-mouths on the Left are becoming nearly as
hysterical and vicious as those on the right. . . . I marvel
(unhappily) on a daily basis on how myopic and stubborn many of those
on the left have become in regards to President Obama. I wonder if any
of these people have ever truly had to make hard decisions in their
lives. Have they not ever had to weigh all consequences?. . . . These
are real choices people, not a schoolyard fantasy, in which our guy,
king of the geeks, is finally captain of the kickball team, and now he
can pick us fellow geeks and play us all in sweet revenge against the
jocks. He is not playing. He is leading. Not even one year in, I am
willing to continue to trust his instinct, his grace, his patience and
his measured hand. . . .These are the reasons I voted for him. Hope for
a leader, not hope for "everything to be completely different from the
previous guy regardless of the consequences", which is what I think
many immature democrats are upset about. What a bunch of selfish
babies. . . . The stuff coming out of "progressive" mouths is all too
often on a par with Glenn Beck's abusive rants--both sides (right and
left wingers) playing thousand-pound national football with the
President as the ball--meaning, kick kick kick, until you bust his
dick. This truly makes me sick.These
outbursts include everything other than arguments addressed to the only
question that matters: are the criticisms that have been voiced about
Obama valid? Has he appointed financial officials who have largely
served the agenda of the Wall Street and industry interests that funded
his campaign? Has he embraced many of the Bush/Cheney executive power
and secrecy abuses which Democrats once railed against -- from state
secrets to indefinite detention to renditions and military
commissions? Has he actively sought to protect from accountability and
disclosure a whole slew of Bush crimes? Did he secretly a negotiate a
deal with the pharmaceutical industry after promising repeatedly that
all negotiations over health care would take place out in the open,
even on C-SPAN? Are the criticisms of his escalation of the war in
Afghanistan valid, and are his arguments in its favor redolent of the
ones George Bush made to "surge" in Iraq or Lyndon Johnson made to
escalate in Vietnam? Is Bob Herbert right when he condemned
Obama's detention policies as un-American and tyrannical, and
warned: "Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less
wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House"?Who
knows? Who cares? According to these defenders, it's just wrong --
morally, ethically and psychologically -- to criticize the President.
Thus, in lieu of any substantive engagement of these critiques are a
slew of moronic Broderian cliches ("If Obama catches heat from the left
and right but maintains the middle, he is doing what I hoped he would
do (and what he said he would do) when I voted for him"),
cringe-inducing proclamations of faith in his greatness ("I am willing
to continue to trust his instinct, his grace, his patience and his
measured hand"), and emotional contempt for his critics more extreme
than one would expect from his own family members.

Not sure exactly what Greenwald is talking about?
Submitted by Connecticut Man1 on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 22:12.Did not take long for a spin reactionary
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"boo-frickin-hoo" diary to get posted... I don't know if those of
you that feel the need to post them every time get tired of writing
them?
But many of us do get tired of reading them.
Spin, spin, spin, spin.
But I don't like spin!
Well? We've got some with just a bit of spin mixed in...
Spin, spin, spin, spin.
ePluribus Media
Collaboration is contagious!
by m16eib on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 02:03:37 PM EST
* [new] Trolling much? You placed an identical comment...
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...in the first diary.
That you are offended that someone would dare post a diary in
response to a previous diary is disturbing coming from someone who has
been here so long.
Could it be that the real offense is that the diarist disagrees with
you and you really should just have stated your disagreement rather
than feign fatigue that one diary gave birth to another?
"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so." ...Bertrand Russell
by sebastianguy99 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 02:34:17 PM EST
I wanted to make sure they knew
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that I am not talking behind their backs. So I posted the comment here first.
If a repeated comment is "trolling" what do you have to say about a diary that is repeating the same story with spin?
I feign nothing. I am straight up in your face honest about it.
Many are really tired of the incessant spin reactionary diaries.
You see, there already was a diary on this subject.
TomP is an honest diarist and a longtime member in good standing as
well. If you can convince him your spin is right and his spin is wrong
I am pretty sure he will fix his diary to reflect the facts.
But, instead of dealing with legitimate crits, write another diary on the same thing and spin.
I support Obama. I supported him as much as I was anti-Hillary
during the primaries. But I can recognize legitimate criticism and
separate it from spin.
Can you?
ePluribus Media
Collaboration is contagious!
by m16eib on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 02:48:34 PM EST
* [new] What, pray tell
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was the legitimate criticism in the first diary?
"Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid
by Darkmoth on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 03:15:03 PM EST
This entire diary is based on a false premise.
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Since all you have to do is read the comments to get Conyers'
statements. Someone made sure to insert the comments (slightly edited
wioth their own preferred emphasis) early on, which may be harsh but is
legitimate criticism. In fact, I made sure a YouTube including the
supposedly important parts of the actual interview was in the comments.
What, pray tell, was illegitimate about the previous diary. Nothing.
The Hill reported what it reported and the diarist relayed that. Unless
you consider any POV coming even slightly from the left, such as from
Rep. Conyers, of President Obama as illegitimate?
Do you?
I'll include the Conyers' comments here, as well, and other comments from in my diary at ePluribus Media:
Conyers did not just talk about Obama. On Rahm Emmanuel? Via the NY Times:
I can't disagree with anything Conyers says, both in the the YouTube and from other excerpts.
Harsh criticism but true, nonetheless.
And again, the Hill wrote a story. A diarist wrote a diary. If you
have an issue with the spin of another diary? It does not take another
entire diary of reactionary spin to deal with it. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
We get it. Some of you don't like the hint of lefty framed crits. But you better get that we get it.
I'll stay out of the way of the flinging pom-poms here, now. Enjoy
the rah-rah-zis-boom-pa. You'll get no further response from me in this
diary. eom
ePluribus Media
Collaboration is contagious!
by m16eib on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:30:34 PM EST
* [new] Since you can't answer my question
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my actual question, I'll do it for you:
There was no legitimate criticism in the previous diary. The diary wasn't about Conyer's criticisms, it was about the President's reaction. It was a gossipy, he-said-she-said hit piece. There was no legitimate criticism in it.
"Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid
by Darkmoth on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 05:42:53 PM EST
So this whole diary is allowed to use
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the Conyers' statements to justify its position but the left side
can't use the same Conyers' statements to justify the view the other
diary puts it in.
I get it.
And I get that now you have relegated Rep. Conyers to a gossip for
telling his side of the story, the Hill is the National Enquirer for
reporting it and the diarist is what? A left wing Drudge for pointing
it out in a non-pom-pom carrying approved way.
I get it.
ePluribus Media
Collaboration is contagious!
by m16eib on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:27:13 PM EST
I hope I don't get whacked with donuts over there... But if I do? It was worth it. If Conyers got Obama's attention by saying what he said? Good on him! IMHO: It needed to be said. Does not make me, or any of us that disagree on some issues with Obama or his real hard supporters any more or less of supporters. Just means we are still thinking about how to do things better. And we wonb't be pushed around for doing that.
Hey, I am pretty sure at least one diarist may enjoy this? lol