Post Biden-Palen Debate Discussion

Sorry for this quickie drive by post this morning, especially given how wonderfully Welshman does these things, I feel particularily guilty.

But I am curious what you all thought and what the morning chatter about the debate looks like. I was terribly afraid that as long as Palin showed up, managed two complete sentences in a row, and didn't forget to put on her lipstick (please note: this is only a nod to her famous quote about the difference between a bulldog and a soccermom), she'd be declared the winner. On the other hand, Welshman -- addicted as he is to auto racing -- was waiting for the spin out.

So what do you guys think? What is the conventional wisdom at 9:46 eastern the morning after?

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I think the financial and economic developments have downgraded the soap opera element and that there is something of a seriousness in the way this is being approached.

Biden, considering the 'flu, did really well on a number of rounds, like the "not a maverick...", "the Mccain health plan..." "de-regulation..." and some of the foreign policy questions.

I think that although Palin did indeed exceed expectations, her better than expected performance will not help McCain because there was not much substance in evidence. The more she capably plays the candidate (the words, gestures, ways of avoiding things) the more idiosyncratic appears McCain's judgment in choosing her because out of touch with the seriousness of the situation. The continual smile underlined this aspect. It was as inappropriate to the occasion as his choice was to a serious campaign.

Pretty Good:

I got a friend in Fremont, He sells used cars, ya know.
Well, he calls me up twice a year
Just ask me how'd it go
Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain
Actually everything is just about the same

since I don't have tv, you have given me everything I need to know.

I was so distracted by the piece of hair that was stabbing her in the eye that I could hardly concentrate on what she was saying. Most of the debate centered around defending their running mate's records.

Did she exceed expectations? Probably. Is she fit to be one 72-year-old-heartbeat away from the presidency? Puh-leese.

"I may not answer the question the way you want to hear, but I'll talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record," Palin said. source

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I like to call her Winking, Blinkin, & Nod. She is one real piece of work. I kept wondering what the point was of having her hair down...someone thinks this makes her look sexy. I say put it in a bun and stick a pencil in it..dang.

Seriously though I give her points for script reading and thought she was really trying to egg Biden on...she didn't get him riled, which was to his credit. Biden must have had his clock cleaned a time or two by women...he did good.

Ms. Ifill did a stellar job. Gwen Ifill was a true journalist

I'd defy the critics to show how Ifill's questions even came close to favoring one nominee over the other.

When she asked about taxes, for example, both nominees faced a pointed inquiry. To Biden: Isn't the Democrats' call to tax the wealthy an invitation to class warfare? To Palin: Couldn't McCain's proposal to tax health insurance benefits cost many Americans their current coverage?

When the GOP governor of Alaska's answer focused mostly on dubbing Obama a big-time tax-and-spender, Ifill helpfully reminded Palin that she needed to respond to the query about McCain's health insurance proposal.

They are excited she did well, desperate for a new attack angle (I put something on the sidebar on that), and generally still knowing they are deep in a hole. There is nothing like kicking them when they are grasping at straws... lol

Really there is not much to add to what has already been said here.

It is so inconceivable to me that McCain and Palin be elected that only something very large and unexpected will prevent an Obama presidency. Even another 9/11 would not affect Obama's chance because he has so remarkably, with Biden's excellent performance last night, become "the safe pair of hands". I honestly believe only a major scandal could now shift public opinion - and I never predict as far out as five weeks from an election date!

Although Palin's voice grated on me, the debate did fascinate me - or, rather, the dynamics of the debate fascinated me.

I find it so sadly amusing that she wants to appeal to Joe Six Pack--aka the poor sad sack who is so down and out he comes home every day and downs a six pack of crap beer so that he doesn't have to feel or think. Sounds about right to me. Palin and her impulse control-challenged partner have targeted the right group-alcoholics.

Also, would someone please tell that bang blinking dope that an Achilles Heel is a weakness and not a dress shoe to wear with a toga?

Dang, DEFuning, that's funny!

Seemed to me Palin didn't answer that question or did I miss something?

number of topics (the ones she had been coached on?) and no matter what the question was, she went back to those same topics. She didn't answer the questions, she blurted out talking points with a Barbie Smile.


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